‘Why I’m Moving to Ecuador to Pursue the American Dream’

Gabrielle Karol
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Denise and Ed Toepel

Denise and Ed Toepel

What does the “American Dream” mean to you?

For most people, it means if you work hard, you can raise a beautiful family, own a comfortable home, send your children to college and eventually retire.

But with the economy still reeling from the recent recession, that dream has been shaken for many—especially those who saw their retirement investments plummet in the stock market.

Once the American Dream fails you, what’s the next step?

For one woman, the answer is a little unconventional: She’s moving to Ecuador. Why would a 58-year-old woman and her husband leave their five grown children behind in the U.S. for a small South American country? For starters … it’s a lot cheaper.

Check out our Q&A with Denise Toepel to found out why she’s packing her bags in October 2013:

You say you can’t afford the American Dream anymore. What do you mean?

Denise Toepel: Two years ago, I was laid off from my position in client services and quality control at an insurance company. My job was given to the person I trained, who was willing to work for half of what I was paid. 

Losing this source of income has made my life with my husband in Denver, Colorado increasingly unaffordable. During the recession, we lost around 70% of our 401(k)s, or around half a million dollars. And now that we’re nearing retirement age (I’m 58 and my husband’s 55), my loss of income—I was making around $60,000 a year—has made retirement in the U.S. seem like an impossible dream.

I’ve been applying for jobs in my field since getting laid off, but nothing’s come of it. I’ve hired a career consultant, who’s helped send out résumés, but no bites. I guess it makes more sense to hire younger workers who can afford to earn less money at their age. Now I do odd jobs—I work for Warner Bros. doing audience testing for upcoming movies, and I sell clothing on Etsy—but these barely make any money at all.

What does your husband do?

Currently, my husband works for Veterans Affairs. He’s a retired Navy chief—throughout the course of his career, the two of us and our five kids lived all over the world. While he gets retirement benefits from the Navy and a good salary from the VA, the loss of my income really hurt us financially.

What do your financial obligations look like?

We rent our home for $1,275 a month and are currently paying off our car. Additionally, we have health care expenses and have to pay for our dental insurance (the military doesn’t cover dental).

A lot of our money went to pay for college–all told, we spent close to $300,000 sending our four oldest children to college. We have five children that we adopted from different countries all over the world (Costa Rica, Holland, Germany, Japan and Sweden), when we were moving around and stationed at different points in my husband’s career. Two of them are now 30, and the others are 26, 22 and 19.

As for the youngest, Gabriel, he’s currently living at home. He’s a competitive runner, and finished two years of college, where he was running track. That said, he wasn’t sure what he wanted to do with his life, so he decided to take some time off. After thinking about it, he plans to join ROTC, get some experience in the military, and then go back to school for nursing, so the military will help pay for his education. We would have liked to help him more financially in terms of college, but we just couldn’t afford it.

Denise's son Gabe at a track meet

Also, having him home has raised one of our expenses immensely: groceries. It costs a lot to feed a competitive runner!

So how did you come to the decision to move to Ecuador?

Well, when we started thinking about how we could afford retirement, we started tossing around the idea of moving to a country with a lower cost of living, so we didn’t have to watch every penny.

We were searching for countries where we could comfortably live on around $60,000 a year for the two of us without having to skimp, and that would allow us to travel and enjoy ourselves. My husband originally suggested Costa Rica. He had been there before and loved it, but I, for whatever reason, wasn’t quite as taken with the country. I couldn’t see myself living there!

We did, however, agree that we wanted a country with a beautiful landscape, that had a slower, less stressful pace of life. Ecuador fit all of the requirements. From the Galapagos to the Andes, there’s so much natural beauty—and it’s affordable enough to live comfortably with the income from my husband’s Navy retirement, Social Security and our remaining 401(k). I’ll be able to take my retirement when I turn 68, which will allow us to live even more comfortably.

Okay, so what’s the plan?

We’re planning to move in October 2013. We’re selling everything we own but our clothes, and we’ll give Gabriel our car. We just found a property to rent while we get settled. It’s a fully furnished house in the suburbs of Cuenca, Ecuador’s third largest city, for about $300 a month–a significant savings from our current $1,275 a month!

The next thing on our list is figuring out what bank to put our money in once we get there. We’re currently exploring our options, so we know that our savings are safe.

How do your kids feel about you and your husband leaving?

For the most part, they’re supportive. They’re adventure-seekers, thanks to our years of traveling, and our daughter Aubrey is so excited to come visit! The only one who’s less excited is Gabriel, who feels like we’re deserting him. The thing is, we’ll have so much more money to help him out if we’re not living nearby in Denver. Also, I think it’s important that he learns to stand on his own two feet—that’s one of the most important lessons I tried to teach my children. Nothing is set in stone, and you have to secure your own fate. Also, there’s always Skype!

Is there anything you’ll miss about the U.S.?

I’m so frustrated, so angry, that we weren’t able to stay in the U.S. and afford the retirement we had dreamed of. I worked hard, long hours, and our savings just won’t cut it. It’s really difficult to realize you can’t afford to live in your own country. I love the United States and all the freedom it provides.

My son Gabriel is black and was born in Japan, where we lived for ten years. In Japan, he wouldn’t have had any options there as a black man (his family disowned him at birth), and he wouldn’t have been accepted by that society. But in America, he can do anything he wants, as long as he works at it. It’s a beautiful thing.

I’ll miss the Fourth of July. Having lived abroad on military bases, I know it’s just not the same, even if you celebrate with other expats. But I definitely won’t miss the constant stress of our life in Denver. Since deciding to move to Ecuador, my stress level has gone down from about 200 to 30. I can’t wait!

Have your travels prepared you for this new journey?

Well, the constant moving taught us that “stuff” isn’t important. All of our things were shipped back to the U.S. from Japan and became contaminated with methyl bromide (a toxic gas often used as a pesticide) en route—everything was burned. All we had left were a couple suitcases of clothes!

I learned that it doesn’t matter one hoot what you own. Moving to Ecuador isn’t about suddenly being able to buy a ton of stuff. For us, it’s about peace of mind, knowing that we’ll be able to afford the ups and downs that will come with aging and retirement, without having to worry about every penny. In life, really all you need is family and a sense of purpose.

  • chulainna

    Wow! What a great idea! I’m glad you were able to come up with a workable solution. I’m sure your other children will step up to care for Gabe as he gets his life sorted out.

  • lynnein2000

    I don’t think she should take “American” Social Security payments when she’s obviously not going to be a resident. That was set up for people in this country who worked hard and want to live here. If you want to retire in another country, you do it on your own dime. 

    • Liz

      Last I checked you have to work and EARN your social security payments so she’s paid into this system and deserves to spend it wherever she chooses.

    • Maja Rohana

       You realize that she paid into Social Security all those years with the understanding that it would be there for her when she retired, right?  She has earned her Social Security, just as her husband has earned his Navy retirement benefits.  I think it’s a really interesting solution to a problem that many people are and will be facing.  I wish them the best of luck, and in about 30 years, I may be borrowing that idea!

    • SCDC

      She contributed to social security all the years she has worked, so it is her dime.

    • Nicole

      Changing her residence does not automatically revoke her American citizenship nor does it negate her previous years working and paying into SS. It belongs to her and she should reap the benefits of it.

    • chulainna

      Interesting….she paid INTO Social Security her whole life…

    • Danielle

      You don’t receive SS because you’re a resident of the United States you receive it because you worked your whole life and the government took your money, and divvied it out to others in this wonderful pyramid scheme. She, you, and everyone who has worked (which is the majority) EARNED their own money. Also, I’m sure that the actual amounts given back to us are far less than what we put in, but that’s a whole other debate….

    • Guest

      I think we should all remember that this “pyramid scheme” is failing. It is a FACT that my generation will not receive a single dollar from SS- it’s just not sustainable, if it continues in its current form, with more people withdrawing than putting in. It’s hard to garner much outrage on her behalf when I’ll have the same experience. We are both just victims of an outdated system that desperately needs to be reformed.

      • robin

        It is not a FACT.  You are a victim of political scare tactics. Politicos  who want to take that money and spend it elsewhere or use it as an excuse to scare people.
        For seniors who do move out of the country, the US does take a share of their check if they are mailing it to a country other than the US.  I have heard my mother in laws friend complain about it who chose to move back to the “old country”.  

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/QFXYNVUXAFP62XPSLHTSWCIV5I J

      This doesn’t even make logical sense.

    • http://www.MekhongKurt.com/ Mekhong Kurt

      “Guest,” point us to the law or regulation that says one has reside on US soil to receive one’s SS for which she paid.

      Unless you can, you’re just p*ssing in the wind. and you can’t, I’ll give you 100-to-1 odds.

      • Jojo3587

        yes  you can get your ss check in any country your living in. I have been for nine years

    • Gailstormm

      Our goverment took that social security out of my check every week, its mine to do what i want n live where i want!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1136030592 Juanita Rubilar Rossi

       I disagree. We payed into Social Security and deserve what we paid into it whether we decide to  live in USA or not. When life becomes too expensive for those on a limited income, in the USA we then have to find a place where we will be able to live with decent medical care-Many of Ecuador’s physicians have trained in the USA. I know so many USA persons who now live outside the USA and vice versa.
       I cannot live in my hometown, NYC and am stuck living where I am unhappy, racism rampant and due to that do get substandard care. Especially with only Medicare and supplemental insurance.
        Americans deserve their social security. Many disabled persons relocate due to cost prohibitive care and living expenses in USA.

        In Ecuador they will be able to get as assistant to help in the event of illness and pay so little. Here they want a 3 hr minimum and the home care assistants sat and watched TV rather than help my mom. Many here are not given criminal background checks.
      The people work hard in those countries and so much more caring that here. Especially in latin countries -there is so much warmth.

    • Janbeach

      You are dead wrong.  She earned her Social Security & it is NOT her fault that living in the U.S. is too expensive.

      • Wrrhodes

        And because of Obama,the democrats and the Union it’s going to be alot more expensive!

    • Joyce1030

      EXCUSE ME!! That is money that SHE paid in… She DESERVES it!! Being a “resident” has nothing to do with what was already paid in the past.

    • RChan

      You are a complete idiot. It’s her money. People like you are what is wrong with America!

      • Garytucker4488

        yep. you are so right, rchan!!!!!!!!

      • Wrrhodes

        along with Obama,Democrats and the Union!

    • Beckymoline

      I disagree with your way of thinking, when you work hard and many years why do you think someone doesn’t deserve what they earned! Get a clue!

    • http://www.facebook.com/bluebomberscfl Colin Unger

      Typical american..

    • Jujuco_tx

      She has PAID for and EARNED her Social Security

    • Calndal

      You are an idiot! Enough said!

    • Jilask

      It IS her dime. She paid into it!!!!! You are obviously inclined to believe it’s an entitlement! WRONG!!!! Not an entitlement when you pay for it. Typical liberal.

    • A more logical guest

      You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.  I hope all the others educated you on how SS works and good for her for doing what makes her happy.

    • DJ

      That’s a ridiculous thing to say.  That money was taken away from her by the government with the promise to pay it back when she reached a certain age.  She earned every penny & deserves it.

    • Pennsax

      You must be one of those rich porkers who want to keep all the slaves on the plantation

    • Viscespatia

      you do not like the fact that she is SMART ENOUGH to think of this and you sit there and grow yourself a bigger rear

    • Punctilious1

      Obviously, you don’t understand the purpose behind social security. It’s not a gift. It’s a paycheck and the recipient can do whatever he/she likes with their own money.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/YQUVWSCSXO2M5KEEZK2ZMCND64 Keeping it Real

      She WILL be a citizen, and she DID work here–longer than you probably will…  The neat thing about retirement in the US–Its a free country.

    • Joan Wiersma

      YOU are one “prime example” of why I want to get out of here too. Are you serious or just trying to push buttons?

    • http://www.facebook.com/michael.perry.12177 Michael Perry

      IT’S HER MONEY !!!

  • Erica Johnson

    What a great article.  I think there are so many others to share your feelings about wanting to live out a good life instead of stressing or going into poverty because a person reaches retirement.  We as a soceity talk so much about immigration, not so much about emmigration that I think it doesn’t occur to folks that one can leave the States…and the world won’t come to an end. Enjoy your new adventure and congrats on taking bold steps!  Thank you for sharing your story.

  • Msdesigndaisy

    Great idea and very bold!
    However, I’m not sure I would want to live that far from family forever. I’m 28 and left home at 18 to go to college 1500 miles away and now live 1000 miles away. The older I get the more I realize how important family is.

    People pay into social security. If she worked all of those years and had it taken out of her check, then she deserves every penny.

  • Sekayser03

    I’ve often thought about moving out the USA to find work.  I understand it’s difficult even in Europe, but I may find myself moving like this couple out of the country if I’m ever able to retire.  

  • Nicole

    I had the idea to move to Ecuador myself a few months ago and although I’m in a completely different stage of my life than Denise and Ed (young, single, no children), it still sounds like a good idea and I hope it all works out for them.

  • Danielle

    Wonderful article! My significant other is from Nicaragua, and when we speak about retirement or shall I say our “golden years” we speak about moving to Nicaragua as the quality of life  there with the money earned here, you can RELAX and enjoy your life! We are planning to do this hopefully sooner than later. Its no longer possible to retire and live comfortably in the united states unless you want to continue working 9-5 at 70 years old (which I would much rather not) or even if you saved all your life, and did it the “right” way you sit at home doing nothing, not enjoying your life because theres no EXTRA money to do anything with. I with the author many years of happiness in her new found home!

  • Megan

    I think this is a brave and bold choice. A problem many aging workers are facing is the burden of retirement and a shrinking 401k. I would be mostly afraid of the change and not seeing my family as often, if I moved out of the country. But I also feel that it is a whole new chapter to life. Retirement should be about relaxing and enjoying life, not stress and financial restraint.

  • edie212

    This is a cool idea, and it sounds like the author has traveled and lived abroad enough to be sensitive of this, but for others, it is important to be mindful of how American expats moving to developing economies can skew local markets–especially real estate. Costa Rica, as mentioned here, for instance, has had their real estate market badly skewed by American retirees who can afford to pay way more for properties than local residents, driving up costs for everyone. I’m in no way saying you shouldn’t retire abroad, just try to be conscious of your impact. 

    • Jenb425

      I agree edie212.  We have a global responsibility to each other.  Even those struggling here in the U.S. are better off than those in these countries where cheap living is making it attractive for retirees.  Shouldn’t we consider what we’re taking away from them by moving to their country and the fact that they already have less than we do?

      • Daunik7

        I’m sorry but it also goes the other way around, when the less fortunate immigrants come to the US to get a piece of the pie. I think that when people move abroad they should make sensitive choices like not building a $1M dollar house next to a village with shacks.

  • Shion Atlasia

    I was just discussing this with my friends. A lot of us are having to leave the US because there are no jobs here, and we are recent college graduates. It’s quite ironic, older generations of America are too busy arguing about gay marriage and basic human rights to address the real problems, including an entire generation having to face unemployment/underemployment and leave “the land of opportunity” just to make a living.

    • renate

      Yep same thing happened  to me. I’m just teaching abroad, about to continue my studies in Europe. (It’s much cheaper!) The thing that is shocking to me is as soon as I left the “land of opportunity” which asked me to work without health insurance at jobs which I was over-qualified for, I suddenly must “hate” my country… or am a “socialist” for living somewhere where you don’t go broke when you have a sudden illness and where companies understand that taking vacations make you better employees. Also since this is a financial website, if you do end up leaving, you should be aware the IRS asks you to spend hours filling out forms to prove you owe no taxes, and want to know the details of every foreign bank account you open, as if living abroad automatically makes you a tax-dodging criminal. 

    • matt

      What about creating your own job in this land of opportunity, Shion?

      Addressing the “real problems” may also include that people in the US are losing their entrepreneurial zeal – one of the things that (in my opinion) is one of our few competitive edges within the global marketplace.

      Not trying to bust your chops, but rather maybe encourage your thinking to go in a couple other directions. I came out of college “underemployed” and relatively directionless. So in the evenings I studied on my own about a particular industry (not college courses. what they really do in their work). I then started my own business in that market (bootstrapping from my $12/hr day job) & went from there. Not saying it’s easy, but people don’t make us move.

      We move not because America, society, or whatever other faceless entity failed us. It’s because we find the risk or reward associated with one choice (moving overseas) is more acceptable than the risk/reward of another choice (starting a business, moving to a different place within the US, living within lesser means, etc)

  • Carrie Pink

    This article is a prime example of why parents should put their retirement first not paying for their children’s education. $300,000 in education expenses for her 4 children was a wonderful gesture, but in the end it leaves her in a position that she would rather not be in. I hope her kids all become great success stories and full understand and appreciate it because it has become a major sacrifice for her to make in the long run.   thinking that she would still be ok.. That $300,00 could have made the difference to her retiring in US like she wanted.

    • Laura

      $300,000 to send four kids to college (they can’t afford to send the fifth).  That translated to $75,000 per child, or just under $20,000 per year for each child.  This is insanity!  I went to a private college and still walked away only $12-15K in debt from student loans after federal assistance and scholarships.  Parents need to know when to put their foot down and say, “If you can’t go to the private school of your choice on scholarships, I’m happy to help you pay for a PUBLIC school.”  State Universities aren’t cheap, but they’re not going to put you $75K in debt per child for a Bachelor’s.

      • Lana

         Yup…and only the black kid got screwed in the end.  Such is life.

        • Lala

          I am black and I am tired that everyone keeps saying that. He is the one that chose not to go to school, and he is over 18 years old. Parents do not owe their parents, neither do they have to put their lives on hold for their children, reading this article I am sure they have sacrificed enough for him and his siblings.

      • Lala

        I agree with you that colleges are expensive but given the rise in the cost of a college education and even employers requiring a bachelors AND 2 years of work experience, there is not much that most people can do.

    • Amy

      I highly doubt that 300K would have made the difference.  A couple needs a lot more than that to retire comfortably in the US.  Maybe it would have given them another 2-3 years, but an education gave their children a lifelong leg up.   

      • Judiescreations

        You can’t be serious that you think $300,000 would only last 2 or 3 years here in the states?

  • Laura T.

    What a bold and exciting step! As a parent you give everything to your child, I say retirement should be all yours!

    I think that this makes it clear that the “American Dream” is just the universal hope to provide your families with a comfortable and happy present/future.  I don’t think that it can only be accomplished in the US, in fact there are plenty of people making moves like this all the time.  Sometimes there are just better opportunities elsewhere.  While the US is still a country of immigrants, I think the world would be better off if there are Americans living in Ecuador, Mexicans in Japan, Irish in Australia and whatnot!

  • vettey

    Great article, good for them!  The one thing that would really concern me is that once their children start having their own kids, they will be missing out on their grandchildren.  Tough choices!

    • Claire Decker

       Their ending statement that family is all that matters doesn’t make sense that they would move away and leave their family. Oh yes, I understand $60k a year and on and on..but there are cheaper areas in which to live in the US

      • ranavain

         And honestly, Denver is not that expensive! They could get a nice apartment that is easily big enough for two people for half what they are paying for their house.

  • K Liz62

    Interesting and bold move, but what are Ecuador’s current and future health care conditions? Will she be able to receive the care that she needs?

    • Ann

      yes its all covered in just about any country , not usa so sad. I wached a show about a few people from 911 that were not being taken car of and they went  to cuba !!! & now live healthy lives back in the us~all medical treatment was free or very low cost for them in cuba

  • JoyKY

    And they spent $300,000 on college tuition/costs because … The children should have stepped up to take the brunt of the expenses.  No reasonable financial planner would suggest funds meant for retirement would be spent thusly.  If they chose so, they could have chosen to participate in FEHB with a dental plan, or have a dental plan separately.  If the money was invested in TSP, then there was an opportunity to pull the funds from C/S/I, etc funds and put in G fund.  It does not earn much, but it does not suffer any losses.  If the husband is under FERS, then the Government is matching part of he puts in TSP.  I’m sorry, but there are too many holes in this tale of woe. 

    • River Hawthorn

      From what I can see the $300,000 was not money from retirement. She said they lost a half million when their 401(k)s were hit by the recession. THAT is what broke them, not college expenses!

      I say good on them for giving there kids a head start! I know to many people with tens of thousands in school debt that can’t find a job that pays the bills AND feeds them!

      I plan to move to a country with lower living expenses and a more laid back way of life when I retire as well. It just makes good financial, and mental health, sense for me!

      • Carrie Pink

        She doesn’t say where the $300,000  came from but if she only had a $60,000 salary it doesn’t sound like the tuition came from cash on hand to spend.

    • annskis

      And who says that children cannot reimburse their parents for college expenses? Or that children cannot help their parents in retirement? Neither my husband nor I got very much help from our folks when we were in college but we are certainly not too stingy and selfish to not help them in their retirement if they needed it. 

      If I spent $300,000 educating a bunch of ingrates who would rather see me leave the country than repay some of what I spent on their schooling, I’d probably be happy to leave, too.

  • sonam

    I wish them the best of luck! it is unfortunate that alot of people in their comments are being critical of their decision- they want to enjoy their life in their budget and Ecuador works for them! From adopting children to raising them and spending on their tuition are choices they made as parents and giving human beings! Please wish them good luck & I hope more people do whats right for them instead of following society and being miserable.

    • DoeJane

      Except that  only their black  adopted son got the shaft apparently. But I suppose he’s just lucky to be here, poor little black child. How irresponsible of them!

      • tk69

        Wow. All their kids are adopted. And which part of “I lost my job” didn’t you understand?” I don’t think they are shafting their youngest because he’s black. Is that what you are implying?

      • shazzer

        The “child” will be 20 and enlisted in the military by the time they leave!

      • shazzer

        And also, he went to college for 2 years and decided it wasn’t for him.

  • Pammo56

    One key thing she did not talk about: health care! Its all well and good to drive down expenses, but not sure a developing country is where I want to get health care during retirement years…a time when health issues and needs skyrocket.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/QFXYNVUXAFP62XPSLHTSWCIV5I J

      What’s the alternative, stay in the US where preventative healthcare is available only to those that can afford it?  Wait for the GOP to demolish the only affordable screenings many women can access?  The US isn’t the only place with good doctors.

    • shazzer

      I would hazard a guess that for people with money, healthcare in Ecuador is actually pretty good. Just like in the US, only the bar for what constitutes “people with money” is a lot lower

  • Cloutetc9

    I arrived in NYC alone thirty years ago as a working model & actor, decided to stay and, after several ups & major downs as a solo-preneur and small business owner, have had an overall successful run. I left home before I was 21 and made my own way in the world, including self-funding my education as I went along. I never invested in the stock market, choosing real estate instead. I also buy my own health insurance, donate time & funds and pay high taxes for the privilege of self-employed freedom. My husband has also always been anti-corporate as solo-preneur and has retired early. The flip side is that we are moving back to my hometown of Vancouver within the next 2 years for many reasons. NYC has lost the charm that kept us enthralled in the first place and Canada has a very healthy economy, more opportunity, more room to move, and a much better quality of life. Health coverage is great, I can buy a 2 bedroom condo for cash in a fabulous downtown neighborhood next to a huge wooded park right on the Pacific Ocean with mountains as a backdrop for much less than my Manhattan co-op and we will have the added bonus of experiencing our grandnieces growing into young adulthood. There are several wonderful places to live in the US and abroad but NYC is now a glaring example of everything that has gone wrong. Bravo to anyone changing locations. Life should be a continuing adventure on your own terms wherever you decide to go.      

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/3J2TZDPBJLFSWGPXR5QXQUKVAY ziva

      You are so on the mark. Mike Bloomberg and his band of 1%ers. In fact I think they all live here as well as the foreign billionaires that drove the price of real estate through the roof

  • Amy

    I’m actually doing this now, at age 40 with small children.  We have finally realized that, while we have a nice life and salary, we will never be able to save enough for retirement or a bigger house down payment while living in the US.  The only way to really “get ahead” is to keep a US salary while living in a cheaper country.  I spent two years searching for the right job, and my family is moving in January 2013.  Housing and daycare costs will be 1/10th the cost and my salary will be about 80% of my current one.  I estimate we’ll be able to save $40K/year (after maxing out 401k retirement savings), something I’d never be able to do here.

    • robin

      Where are you moving to?

      • Amy

        Indonesia.

  • ranavain

    I wish these guys all the best, but honestly, the idea that living in the United States on $60,000 for two people is somehow the path to grinding poverty is absurd. Move to Ecuador if you want to feel more rich, fine, but don’t pretend it is because you are poor. $60K a year is more than enough to live comfortably for two people in Colorado (it’s more than enough to live comfortably in more expensive places in the US, in fact). You’re not poor, you just don’t like the idea of living anything less than the comfortable upper-middle-class life you’ve become accustomed to.

    As I said, I hope you find every happiness in Ecuador. Spend tons of money traveling and ordering delicious tropical drinks. But I really resent that LV encourages people to live in a crazy world where $60K a year is not enough. It is. If you forked over $300K to send your children to college, you’ve still got more than $200,00 in a 401K, you get pension, AND you get Social Security, I have a news flash for you: You’re LIVING the American Dream. You have SO MUCH MORE than most Americans have. Please be thankful for what you have, instead of pretending that America somehow failed you because $60 isn’t enough to retire wealthy. You could afford to live here, you are choosing not to.

    • slminmarin

      I completely disagree with Ranavains comments.  I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, rent a small 3 BR, 1 BA home for $2,700/month for myself and my two children.  After taxes and rent, there is not much left for savings, college tuition, and the like.  I am not saying $60,000 a year is “grinding poverty”, but in the Bay Area, single parents earning $70,000/year qualify for subsidised housing.

      • ranavain

         I think the problem is that people conflate the ideas of “I can’t survive on this amount” versus “I can’t have everything I want on this amount.” Lots of people can’t save much, and a LOT of people can’t afford to save money for college tuition. I don’t have any particular sympathy for that… many kids don’t have parents that can foot their college bills, so they get scholarships and loans and grants. You live in an expensive city, which is a choice, and you have a home (more expensive than an apartment) and your children have their own rooms. It sounds like you’re doing fine. Being poor is more than simply not being able to live the lifestyle you’d like to. People live in SFO on minimum wage. $70,000 a year is a cakewalk.

        • robin

          Exactly WHO lives on mimimum wage in SF?  How many hours do they work? How many people live in the house/apartment. Do they live in subsidized housing?  SF’s minimum wage is over $10 an hour which is higher than surrounding areas but honestly, could one could live decently?  I suggest you read Nickel and Dimed, On Getting (not) by in America. Author Barbara Ehrenreich.

          • ranavain

             I actually own that book. I’m quite liberal and would love a higher min wage, single payer healthcare, and other policies to make getting by easier. I just get upset when solidly middle class people think they’re scraping by when they don’t seem to have any idea what “scraping by” really means (which is not to say that’s you, but it does sound a little like the writer of the article). Living on minimum wage is tough, but people do it. It’s insulting to those people to suggest that $70,000 is some kind of dire economic circumstance.

          • http://twitter.com/Smecksie Melanie Carek

            The big problem with a higher minimum wage is it means the value of the dollar will go down (again). Inflation is a (excuse my french) real b*tch. Frankly, Ranavain, they are referring to the ‘American Dream’ and you are hating on their perception of it. Get over your jealousy and move on. Yes, it’s a subjective ideal because the variations on what a house costs and where you live (and how many children can you really afford anyway?) and all that junk is a thinly spread out and far reaching jelly across most American’s minds. I, for one, commend their efforts on searching for the ‘American Dream’ in a country other than America. Imagine that! Not to get too political here, but America ain’t that great anymore. Our money is inflating as we speak, our opportunities are going oversees, our retirement funds have shrunken, the banks are falling, the housing market is a hot mess and our Government is spending other countries’ money letting people like you believe that it’s all FOR you. Gosh. I am starting to digress here, but the main point is that they are sharing what their idea of the ‘American Dream’ is and after reading your posts all I get out of it is: “I’m jealous. So I’m going to talk about how righteous all the people who make less than them are because we are humble and that means we’re better people.” Eff that.

          • tk69

             I don’t think anyone is saying that working for minimum wage makes them “better people.” You are the one who sounds righteous. Eff that.

    • Maria

      I disagree completely. 60K might be enough to survive in this country, but really, is mere survival an acceptable option  for a retired couple? They worked hard their entire lives for the lifestyle they wanted to retire in. It’s quite devastating to watch your lifelong dreams shatter because of something you had no control over. 
      There is nothing wrong with wanting a comfortable and worry-free life.
      And actually, Denise never gave an impression that America failed her. She does not blame others for her situation, just stating the fact that it is sad that she cannot afford to stay here. 

      • ranavain

         People who work for minimum wage work their whole lives too. There are plenty of retired people in America who live on $500 a month from Social Security. THEY are the ones who can’t afford to live in America. The writer of the article can obviously afford to live here, she’s choosing not to because she has decided she values a higher standard of living over living in America. It’s a perfectly legitimate decision. But it’s not because she can’t afford it here. She can.

        And $60K is more than “surviving” money, particularly when you have benefits provided at little or no cost (such as her health benefits through the VA). That puts you in the top 40% of wage earners in the country.

        There is nothing wrong with wanting to be comfortable and worry free. There IS something wrong with the idea that if you’re not comfortable and worry free, you are poor or can’t afford to live. I just desire more honestly and realism… the author is choosing to live in a different country because it affords her a better lifestyle. Not because she can’t afford to live here.

        • ranavain

           For the record, it is also much harder to work your whole life and have nothing at the end but a pile of (hopefully good) memories than it is to work hard your whole life and have only $200,000 left in your 401(k). I think the LearnVest crowd has a dangerous tendency to forget how the other half of the nation lives.

        • Sfcrichards

          Most ex pats retirees move because thier move grants them a much higher standard of living than in the US as a whole. The family in this article, a retired Civil Servant/ US  Navy enlisted man and his wife could not  afford  to get a really nice house, with maid and other services in the US, along with international travel and other perks. I agrree with ranavain in that the author can afford to live in the USA (with a budget), but choose to live like millionares in South America. As a career solder, I have personally seen many countries where a $50,000 annual standard of living would be very high living for most of the native population,

    • Tajmaurer

      I agree. $60,000 a year is more than enough to live on for 2 people. The $300,000 they spent on sending their children to college would have been better used to cushion their retirement savings. The kids could have gotten scholarships or loans for their education. There is no scholarship or loan for retirement.

      • Judiescreations

        I absolutely agree.

    • Judiescreations

      I totally agree. I live in WI on less then $25000 a year and I am doing okay. Would I ever want to move to another country so I would have more money and leave my family behind, absolutely not. It seems these people are focused on money rather then family. Why not ask their kids for the money back that they paid out for all their schooling. I’m sure that with those degrees they earned they are making good money so no reason not to pay mom and dad a little each month so they can stay in America. I think they will be sorry once they move away from their family.

    • rchan

      YOu are a complete idiot ranavain. 

  • Designgirl1100

    So INTERESTING!!!! 
    I think this is a very hot topic and should be explored further on this website and others.   It’s something I have been thinking about as well at my age of 59 and having been unemployed for several years but somehow managing since my condo is paid for and I have been living very frugally.   I am now considering areas like Honduras, Panama, and Ecuador and plan to start researching so many things like: what is daily life like in these places?  How large an American expat community are there in these areas?    I would love to hear from others thinking about this and are in perhaps further stages of exploration.

    • bakomomi

      My husband and I are also exploring overseas retirement.  I follow numerous blogs on the subject and have to share my favorite here with you: http://eddsaid.blogspot.com/2010/03/america-love-it-and-leave-it-part-1.html Edd Staton is a no nonsense kind of guy, tells it like it is and no sugar coating!  Ecuador sounds like the place we will be checking out.  Read his blogs from the date of the one I have copied here forward to this week…he is very entertaining and it is really neat to see how he and his wife Cynthia have adapted and in fact really prospered in there new lives in Cuenca, Ecuador… He explains the in’s and out’s of everyday life living abroad and the struggles that you can look forward to with such a move.  He shares the beauty of his new home, warts and all :)

    • Ave Fenix

      My husband’s job brought us to the United States from Lima Peru. He is originally from Canada and I am Peruvian. We have lived in Texas for the last 10 years where our wonderful son was born. 5 years ago my husband lost his very well paid job and that put a lot of stress on me since I became the provider; two years later I lost my job too and things started going downhill very quickly. With two minimum wage incomes, last november we lost our home to foreclosure. We also exhausted our savings and have no retirement money. We tried very hard to get back on our feet but have not been able to get good jobs. We are now trying to save a little to move back to Peru. It was hard to part with our belongings because we worked hard to get them, but we are sure that once we move back, with our degrees and experience, we will be able to get jobs and above all some peace of mind. We think it is time to move on and start over. This is a wonderful country and we are grateful for the wonderful experiences we lived but we can no longer afford to wait for things to happen. My husband and I are very open to moving back and we have no prejudice about it since we have both lived in Peru before. We will have to re-adapt to living in a less consumerist society (is that such a bad thing?), and some other social differences but, personally, I am looking forward to applying in Peru the wonderful things I learned living in this country and simply forget the rest.        

  • http://yesiamcheap.com/ Yes I Am Cheap

    When I wrote an article warning Baby Boomers that they might not be able to retire (EVER or in the U.S.) I literally got hate mail.  Here is an example that this is happening more and more.

    • Jessi Choy

      This is so true, some of us will not even get retirement funds, unless you secure yourself now. This is so true, our poverty line has risen higher and higher over the years. It is very sad

    • Just Stating the Facts

      It’s because they are choosing to be ignorant. Most have never even left their home state, let alone country. 

  • Robin Ryan

    This is asinine. Have they even been to Ecuador? Cuenca? More than just the tourist circuit? Hablan espanol? Doubt it.

  • 220VOLTS

    Actually, this nice lady may find she has more ‘freedom’ in Ecuador than the US, My wife and I retired to Asia 8-years ago and haven’t had one regret. Without belaboring the point, many of my American acquaintances are experiencing financial difficulties, working or not.
    Miss a few things from my land of birth … but this life of leisure we now enjoy is worth every bit of the decision to cut-the-cord with the US 

    • Daniel

       As an American living in peru, and having visited Ecuador many times, I am astounded at the lack of knowledge displayed here on both sides of the issue…For god’s sake educate yourselves…

  • bcalnyc

    If the retirement income these folks plan to live on is around $60K annually then they are probably making a bit more now.  Even without her income they’re doing ok.  My family income (my hus works part-time seasonally as a ref) runs in the low 50K range and we just got one out of college, still have one in college and have a six year old at home.  We manage just fine – in NYC, one of the nations most expensive cities.  Yes, we have internet & satellite tv, yes, we take vacations, yes we occasionally  go out to eat.  I’ll be darned if I can figure out what people are doing with their money that 2 people can’t live comfortably on $60K.  And I find it a bit offensive that these folks will take money which is primarily paid either by tax dollars (a Vet Affairs pension) or the next generation of Americans (Social Security) and spend it elsewhere.

    • Amy

      wow – how on earth are you affording all that?  My household income is more than triple yours and we had to drop our cable to meet our budget!  I do live in a very pricey area, but you do, too.  

      • SLGilstad

         I make about $40K and live in NYC. I have great credit, no debt, travel internationally 2x a year for about a week at a time, and eat/drink out a few times a week. How do I do this? No TV, so no cable bills. I have no children. I have a studio apartment in the Bronx, so less expensive electrical bills. I buy things on sale or used, if possible (books, music, sometimes clothing.) I refuse to pay $1,500 for rent for a tiny apartment, then complain about being in debt and having no money. Would I like a bigger place? Sure, and it will happen. I live semi-frugally and get all of my needs and many of my wants met.

  • roadkill612

    ta for sharing madam

  • mw

    Good luck surrendering all your rights to Correra! What a poor choice out of all the countries in the world!

    • Jessi Choy

      This is a missconception about this beautiful country, but I have to say, he is a very well educated president with 2 degrees, and has made his country the 3rd most successful in the South and Central America. The biggest thing you have to understand is that if “The People” are not happy with him, they can removed him from office at anytime and he is serving his 3rd term. He must be doing something right. I have driven through most of Ecuador and he has done so much woith the Highways, not ruining their natural landscapes and even better than the USA.

      • mw

        I have been all over LA including Ecuador and Cuba. I’m sorry, I would much rather live with my rights and be poor, than be wealthy with no rights. I have MANY friends in Quito and Guayaquil. They are miserable. The only thing he’s doing something right is voter fraud like Chavez. I’m really happy this American couple is going to Ecuador though. Dejalos! para que vean!

    • Ecuadoreanguy

      Lets putting together George Bush and Correa and lets see who is intelligent, want to know the answer?

      • mw

        q. cono tiene q hacer Bush con Correa? Dios mio…was I talking about Bush? No. Callate. 

    • SLGilstad

      Have you ever been there? I have lived in Colombia and traveled to Ecuador. It actually is a pretty peaceful beautiful country. I can definitely see the appeal of retiring there.

  • Sherrycooks

    What about adequate healthcare ? IF one of them suffers a stroke or heart attack  is there nearby facilities that offer the care to survive ?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/YP4AVW2YG7WB44KZ27KPOLA6GM Llevar

      I would prefer the healthcare in S or C America because I know the learning is so much more rigorous than the US (multiple choice). Also I like how in Ecuador (and probably other countries) incorporate natural ways to deal with the problem and not rely so much on drugs. The problem is people do not travel to the countries to see the quality of the healthcare that is there. Also they have options of both government and private healthcare, which both are significantly less expensive than in the US.

  • Jessi Choy

    This is exactly what we will be doing in about 3 years, a lot of people complaint about how different other countries are, but I have to say, Ecuador is the 3rd more successful country in South and Central America. With an unemployment rate of 2%, full of natural resources including $1.00 for a gallon of gas, and the cost of leaving is so cheap, basically a middle class family can live comfortably with making $15,000 a year. People have no idea how beautiful the people are, they do not live beyond their means, they make $400 a month, and live happy with the essentials, they take vacations, by visiting other family members in other cities, and is a lot less stressful than the cities in the USA. I think you are making a great choice. I have been to Ecuador 5 time in the past 5 years, and I go back every year an experience something different.  

  • Kathysmith2k7

    Go to naturalnews.com. Mike wrote a article about why he left Ecuador to come back to USA. One thing your a outsider and the poor there will rob and kidnap you for money…

  • Mllnlnd

    Aren’t there earthquakes and mudslides? I think there are many choices in the U.S. and you haven’t researched enough.

  • shazzer

    Slightly off topic, but my hubby and I both work and earn roughly the same amount. We live on only one salary so that if one of us runs into trouble, we are not impacted. Could we have a larger home, fancier cars and vacations or more meals out? Sure, but we’d rather have the security that comes with living below our means. It is always better, if possible, to live below your means.

    Regarding moving away from family - I think family is important, but having your own life is important too. My parents chose to move to Arizona from NJ because of the crushing property taxes in NJ. They went from paying $12,000 a year in property taxes to about $1,000. The trade off is that they see my brother and me once a year, but we are OK with that. We don’t want to be our parents’ sole reason for being. They have their own friends, hobbies and interests. I wouldn’t want the pressure of being their life.

    • Hyeaghcheg

       It’s wonderful that you and your husband earn enough to live off one salary, while banking the other.  Here in the northeast, most people I know require two incomes just to get by; banking for retirement is a luxury.

  • Guest

    I, too, have looked into moving into another country for one of the reasons they mentioned-the slower way of life that’s not always about ‘things’.  And truth be told, as a Black female, I don’t always feel ‘free’ in America, even though I’ve gotten the higher education, worked at some of the world’s largest corporations, etc.  There’s tradeoffs that have to be considered when looking at moving, but I’m inspired by people that choose to go with what makes them happiest.  The grass may be greener on the other side, but it never hurts to go over and try it, right? I wish nothing but the best for this couple.

    • Vsv

      I also am a black female from Nigeria. I have lived here most of my life and next year when, I graduate from collegeI am traveling. I am not sure yet if I want to leave the US or stay, but I like having this choice. I just think it is smart to leave your comfort zone, meet new people, experience new things and see what happens.

  • Gratzi89

    Sorry, but your son is correct.  You are deserting him.  He will be only 20 when his parents move to another country. Getting him to stand on his two feet is easier when he won’t have to worry about different time zones when he calls his parents. 

    • Amy

      Oh, please.  My parents moved overseas when I was 20 and it was no problem at all.  I visited during some holidays, and I certainly didn’t want to live at home by that point anyway.  Moving to another country is not “deserting.”  If anything, it gives the kids the (good) idea that world is a smaller place than they might otherwise think.  And, it gives them a great excuse to travel to another country!

    • ranavain

      I agree with Amy. You can’t abandon a 20 year old like he’s a child. He’s going into ROTC, he’s got a plan. I don’t think their decision should be questioned due to its effect on their (grown) children.. it’s their lives, and after paying for their college, I feel these parents have probably done enough. 

    • Erink313

      Oh please…my parents moved to a different time zone 3 months after I graduated from high school. I put myself through college, I am now married, a homeowner and my husband and I both own our own businesses. However we are also considering moving to Ecuador in a few years because although we can afford it, the cost of living in the U.S. is crazy, along with us losing our constitutional rights, this is not a place we want to live the rest of our lives in. Their son needs to man up, there are men his age dying overseas supposedly protecting our sham of a country.

  • roadkill612

    It makes sense for americans to retire to cheaper countries & st america is a natural fit

    I hear good things about ecuador, but i wonder if living on the equator isnt a bit drastic for most americans?

    Just a thought, but choose a city in the US w/ a climate you like, & choose a similar spot & latitude sth of the equator

    even if you live at cool altitude, the sun will be fierce.

    Its also very much in your interests to end the drug war. One country after another has become unlivable

    mexico would be perfect for many otherwise. you can drive to the US

  • Lala

    It is refreshing to read that so many people feel the same way. I am 21 and will graduate college next year and this will be my first year voting! I am afraid for the state of the economy, healthcare, education and life in the United States as well. I am not sure if I want to live somewhere else but I plan on going to new countries and having new experiences so that I am not restricted and when I decided to move, I will transition easily. This American dream is an illusion that is fading that many people in my generation will not experience.

    • Clowndf

      Then don’t vote for Obama and stand up to greed heads !

      • WideAwake

        We were heading down this road before Obama. Get over it Lala. Republicans are just as much to blame as the Dems. Both parties are responsible.

      • Newsmyrnasuite

        Actually VOTE FOR OBAMA as he IS STANDING UP TO GREED.

        • SLGilstad

           How exactly did he stand up to greed? He bailed banks out who contributed to our economy crashing. He’s corporate coyote in Democrat sheep’s clothing.

      • cbg

        Actually they are both no good.  It seems everything is about the greedy super rich and the lazy entitlement people.  There is no in between any more.  No one seems to care about the average working American or small businesses.

  • Paultigerfan7

    there are other places in the us where you can live cheaper and you don’t have to live in the cities.I only pay about $750 a month on a lease with option to buy.when it’s paid for I  will only pay about $350 lot rent for a 3-bedroom modular home.It’s in a good comunity too.

    • Kelly

      I currently live in a beach community in Mexico for $400 per month rent.  The town and community are equally safe to where I lived in Northern California – but I now can live (all expenses included) for less than I paid in rent in the US.

  • Fiddata

    I’m 51 and have slowly been transitioning to a life in the Central America.. My rent is abourt $360 for a 2 BR condo. in a gated complex. Cost of living is fantastic except for Gas. I love the poeple and the climate, but it is a shame that so many of us will be forced to leave our Country because of what inept,greedy Politicians have done. It’s funny, but the emergency room at the hospital here looks exactly the same as my county hospital in Florida. Except here, the people are expected to pay for their services.

    Sorry…but I am now off the hook for my share of the 16 trillion dollar deficit. Good Luck with that folks.

    • Retired Navy Disabled Veteran

      Bye. If you can’t stick it out like the rest of us then go. We don’t need you. BTW renounce your citizenship too. Why only go half way. I promise you we won’t miss you one bit.

      • Larryr2802

        From one Vet to another (USMC). Thanks for your service. I don’t think that people are wanting to leave the US as much as it is about being able to live the dream that they planned for all their working life, and it’s not because of the people in the US. Our greedy elected officials are taxing us to death. Did you know that in order to renounce your US citizenship you have to fill out a form and pay $450.00.

        • Eddiewood100@hotmail.com

          On the news yesterday, 152 people  are leaving the US each week because of taxes here in the us. 

  • Jjsmnow

    This had not said much about the cost of living except for rent. 
    Empty reporting as usual.

    • Hottinroof

      Hi, this is an article about us and our “outsourcing” of our retirement. Our rent will be 380.00 a month. Electric will be 22.00
      Water 40.00 Food 200.00, Gas 8.00, (not for a car, a home). Cable is 70.00 if you want it and Internet is 40 to 80 depending on speed requirements. Health care is less and prescriptiion drugs are available along with excellent dental and vision care.

      We will be living in an apartment until we find our final home. the whole idea for sharing was to let people know there are alternatives to and everyone has to decide what is best for them. We never thought we would be doing it, but,,,,, we have been to see the other side and it will work for us. We wish all others who are struggling to always keep an open mind.

  • Ecuadoreanguy

    Im from Ecuador and i move to US since i was 15 yrs old im 44 now living in Florida and shes right im from Guayaquil and i went to Cuenca in 2010 and i went 2 times in 2 weeks because is a beautiful City the weather the people is very warm , the view the mountains is great, the food the restaurants are great, if you choose to go to a finest restaurant in the historic downtown of Cuenca you can have a nice dish with a glass of wine for about 15 dollars for two, the food is very very cheap you can easy find so many fruits all kind of fruits very very cheap with $5 dollars you can get fruits for the whole week or two, the sea food is cheap, you can by the seafood in the cost towns from the fishermens boats from the ocean to your table! a pound of a Langostinos shrimps the bigers one from the beach 4-5 dollars a pound, 1.50 cents a pound for fish name corvina a great fish, 1-2 pounds lobsters for $5 dollars and by the way the money in Ecuador is the dollar, but again Cuenca is a great city to live and very safe,you need to be there to see how beautiful is and have many places to visit many parks like el Cajas etc  the neighborhoods are great many many homes there in Cuenca was builded by inmigrants and let me tell you something you see big mansions there and with the view of the mountains ANDES makes a nice contrast, must of the homes roof are orange ceramic tejas and looks nice,  and let me tell you something in Ecuador you can find many US citizens, German, people from Swiss from France, from many countries living there, electric bills are between 7 dollars at month to 25 dollars depend if you have air condition, you can go to popular restaurant and find $2 dollars a dish including a glass of natural juice and soup, again the weather in the serrrania (andes) are the best and the beaches excellent, i rented a home 2 blocks from the beach 3 bedrooms 2 baths for 200 a month a peacefull beach name SALINAS about same as CLEARWATER here in Florida, GOOD LUCK you choose a great countrie to live

  • Ecuadoreanguy

    Oh by the way if you ask me why im not in Ecuador and what im doing in the US let me tell you i never wanted to come to the US my parents brough me here when i was 15 yrs, i left my girlfriend my friends and my family behind in Guayaquil of course because the bad economy in my country by them in the 80s because the bad administration from the bad politicians, right now im retired i have a disability a total shoulder replacement and my last job here in the US was as a train counductor for CSX cargo company, at this point i wish to move back to Ecuador but i have now two kids my son 14 yrs old and my daughther is 18 yrs old, i am now US citizen and for my kids and for my self the US is our country and my kids dont want to move out of the US so i have to stay here in the US, and to fihish im telling you something the US is a great country with a great people but is not the onlye one great country in the world, and good and bad people, safe and bad neighborhoods are everywere here in the US and other countries, the problem is the US citizens think you only find civilization in the US and is not true, go travel meet different people other countries and you will find how nice the people is

  • Bc22411

    I have family wanting to comeback the USA after living in Ecuador for 30+ years.  Everywhere has its problems, but at least I know exactly what we have and don’t have here.  The banks in Ecuador are Government owned and they tax you on EVERY transaction deposits and withdrawals. Good Luck -do lots of research

    • Larryr2802

      There was also a Bill in congress wanting to tax every bank transaction here too. I think it is HR4646. Anyway, it won’t belong before the government takes over your 401k and gives to an allowance from it.

      • Nandrad4

        I keep hearing this (tax on IRA’s). What bills or proposed bills  exist to support this theory. I am not contesting your opinion, just curious…

    • Myriamforero88

      Do you have a visa? I’ve applied for a visa a yr ago and I’m still waiting…. I can’t live there if I can’t  open a savings or checking account? NO ATM -this is a very small city. No one will cash a check if you don’t have a cedula. Good luck!  

    • Chaoticness

      I actually lived right next door in Colombia for several years. Very happy to be back in the US despite its excessive regulations and war against small business. We are now thinking about moving to Northern Italy to get away from the drones coming soon. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/Ramacrx Richard Rosenfeld

    I dont get the math

    • Fieldmarshall

      I agree, at their age and his income and they can’t make it? They are leaving a lot out in this article.

      • Bigfouts14

        Agreed. If $5,000 a month isn’t enough to live here than there’s going to be an awful lot of people in serious trouble down the road.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HCRRFLG3SZJRCEMX6MCWGZLFS4 Jim M

    I’ve often wished I had stayed in The  Philippines – people are nice and expenses lower then America but i returned for family which really is big enough they could have survived with one less

  • ursol

    That’s exactly what all the Europeans said and did between 1492 and 1934 as they came to American for nearly free land – the biggest welfare check ever given.  And their descedants still own 98% of the land.  Talk about needing land reform.  Now you’lll start with another country full of ‘Indians’ – indigenous peoples, whose value system differs from yours and invites the greed and grsaft of your value system.  God help you.

    • Avalynn01

       boo to you

  • Larryr2802

    My wife and I are also planning on moving out of the US, we are going to Cuenca Ecuador in October to check things out. With the costs of all the elected officials in this country we feel we can no longer keep them up and us too.

  • Gailstormm

    I’m also planning on moving to Cuenca. I cant afford to retire here in the US. I love my country but my country has made it impossible to retired here. I’ll be moving in 2014. I will keep my american bank to have my social security n pension checks deposited in. Cuenca is a beautiful place with friendly people. The cost of living is much much less then in the US. There will be no medicare from the US, but health care is much less in Cuenca. You can purchase their health care at about $75 a month which will cover just about everything. Even without their health care plan, cost of going to the doctors is about $30 a visit. Hospital care/operations are about a third of the cost of what is charged in the US. Most of their doctore are US or Euopean trained. They take care of their Seniors including those not from their country. Transportation costs are minimal. Housing is well below the cost of what is charged in the US. I rented a 1 bedrm apt. that cost me $250 with all the bells n whistles for the month i stayed there. Anyone thinking of retireing outside the US should check out Cuenca, Eucador

    • pat123

      Hi,  My wife and I are seriously considering Ecuador. We are thinking of Salinas. We are in our 60′s and we are concerned about overall safety in the various parts of Ecuador…..Thanks

  • cbg

    What a shame this is after working hard and being in the military you can’t even enjoy the last years in the comfort of you own country.  I don’t understand why people STILL put money in thier 401ks.  This is gambling your life away in another county.  Stock market is for people who can afford to lose.  It used to be only rich people in the stock market, now people that don’t have a pot to piss in is in the stock market.  This is very dangerous.

    • CyncialOne

       $60k an year and free medical care isn’t enough to live in comfort?  Man you must be really wealthy!

      • Angela

        Medical for military retirees is not free!  We have a co-pay and we pay a premium yearly or monthly! Get you facts straight.

      • aubiechan

         Again, do the site a favor and stop retyping the same drivel over and over.

  • Bee

    Being able to retire is a gift. They have their health and enough money to live comfortably somewhere. Let’s look at this a optimistic and grateful point of view.

  • Harry P

    I would love to move to Costa Rica, Peru or even Dominica Republic. With $3,000 a month, you can live very well. In the US, $3,000 just gives you the basic.

    • Mewahne

      I have lived in Costa Rica for 3 years now, it is very expensive… I would not suggest retiring here to anyone, also The crime rate is horrible.